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The jury has reached a verdict.
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Will the defendant please rise?
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In the case of
the State of California
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versus John Thomas Sweeney,
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on the count of second-degree murder,
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we the jury find the defendant not guilty.
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On the count of involuntary manslaughter,
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we the jury find the defendant guilty.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
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on behalf of myself, the attorneys,
and the two families here,
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I want to thank you for your service.
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Not for our family, Judge Katz!
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Don't thank them on behalf of our family!
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Mr. Dunne, you will have your time
to speak during sentencing.
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It's too late then!
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That man strangled our daughter to death.
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He should rot in prison
for the rest of his life.
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Mr. Dunne.
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And you withheld important evidence
from the jury
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about this man's history
of violence against women.
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He beat my daughter for months
and then killed her.
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He ripped out chunks of her hair.
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Mr. Dunne!
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He strangled her for five minutes!
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You strangled my daughter.
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You son of a bitch!
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- Mr. Dunne. Bailiff.
- I hope you rot in hell.
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And you, how can you sleep at night
defending this monster?
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Hey, Crocodile.
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Hey.
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How are you?
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You know, I'm okay.
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I'm getting out of here. I promise.
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The trial prep has started,
and Jill, my attorney, she's, I mean...
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It's just so hard.
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You know, like my parents...
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they really don't believe you, Lyle.
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They want us to break up.
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Jamie...
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Forget about that.
They don't know what we have.
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Hey. You know that I love you.
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Right?
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I just wanna get this behind me,
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so that I can give you
everything you deserve, yeah?
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And I... I need your help.
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Okay?
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I need you to watch At Close Range.
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What? Is that like a movie or something?
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Yeah, with, uh, Sean Penn
and Christopher Walken.
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It's really, really fucking good.
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You should...
You should definitely watch it.
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Okay. Why?
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I need you to do something.
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What?
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I need you to say that my dad raped you.
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What?
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No!
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- Why not?
- Because he didn't.
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Right. But no one's gonna know that.
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It doesn't matter. I... I can't just lie
about something like that.
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Will you just please say
he came on to you or something?
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For the love of fuck! I will pay you.
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You want me to say what?
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I want you to remember that time
you found me locked in the closet.
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- I don't remember that.
- Yes, you do.
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She made me roll in dog shit,
and you found me in the closet,
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and she gave me that Tupperware container
to go to the bathroom in.
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Are you sure this was me?
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Yes. How the fuck don't you remember this?
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That I gave you a handgun?
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No. Just that I asked you for one.
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Because you were so afraid of your dad?
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Yes, because he threatened us
and we were afraid for our lives,
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so we asked you.
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- Yeah, no.
- Right, but you told us no.
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No. I'm saying no right now.
I'm not doing that.
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Why the fuck not? It happened.
It was absolutely something that happened.
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You just have to remember it happened
because it did.
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Or at least tell other people
that you remember it
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because you do. Because you do, Brian!
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Come on, Brian! What the fuck?
What the fuck?!
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Brian, you remember it!
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Brian, you fucking remember it, Brian!
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You fucking remember it!
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Sorry.
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Let me get this straight.
Your father killed your dog.
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Yeah. It killed our ferret,
so he cut off its head.
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And I found it in the freezer.
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And if I answered a question wrong,
he'd just bash my head against the table.
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He would quack at me
because he said I walk like a duck.
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Made fun of my stutter.
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What... what would be the best way
to reach out to...
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What?
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My mom would beat us.
That was very scary.
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She'd chase us with a knife.
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I wish you were never born!
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You know what? Let's call it a day.
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It's not that I don't believe
those stories are true.
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It's like I don't believe them
the way he tells them, you know?
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Well, it's like when I first sat down
with him, you know, it took a second,
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but he was like this scared little boy
who I felt such sympathy for.
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But for some reason,
when he's on the stand,
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he's talking about somebody else.
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Well, he just seems like...
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a psychopath.
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Well, I was going to say
a bad actor, but sure.
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I mean, do you think
he's behind the whole thing?
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Lyle just invents the whole story,
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convinces Erik to go along with it?
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What if it's the other way around?
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I'm not saying that's where I'm going.
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I'm just talking out loud.
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"I saw you on TV the other day,
and I just had to write."
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"I know you're innocent
because I'm psychic."
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"Let me introduce myself.
My name is Candy,
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and I'm a divorced mother of two
who struggled with weight my whole..."
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"Hi, Lyle, I'm just writing
to say I believe you."
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"You couldn't have done
the things they say you did,
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or if you did,
you certainly had a good reason."
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"I could tell from your eyes
the very first time I saw you."
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"If you need anything, anything at all,
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maybe just even somebody to talk to,
give me a call."
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"All my love, Norma."
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This is a call from
the Los Angeles County Corrections from...
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Lyle Menendez.
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Hello?
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Hi.
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Norma?
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Oh my God,
I can't believe this is happening.
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Me and Jamie,
we were never right for each other.
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And now she's making stuff up,
like I told her to say stuff.
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It just goes to show you, some people are...
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Some people are bad news.
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Yeah. Not you, though.
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You sound hot.
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I miss Tony.
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There was no time to be depressed
when he was around.
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What do you
miss most about him?
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The sex or...
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What?
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Remember when I told you
that my dad and this man, they were, uh...
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That he was my dad's lover.
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The one who... He told you
your dad was planning on killing you?
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Yeah, um...
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So that didn't happen. I... I, uh...
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I made it up.
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I just made it up.
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Can I ask why?
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Why did you make that up?
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Erik?
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Erik, did Lyle tell you to make that up?
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I gotta figure out what's going on
with this whole Oziel thing.
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It's a massive hole, you know?
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Like, why didn't I tell him
about the sex stuff with my dad?
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Yeah. That's... Yeah.
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I wish I could write a fucking book.
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That's just my story.
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Explain what it's felt like my whole life
to be Lyle Menendez.
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There's just no way that anybody
would say that I deserve to go to prison.
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Lyle, that's a really good idea.
I could even help you write it.
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Lyle, I'm going to ask you
to relive that day.
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Which one?
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The last day.
The last day your parents were alive.
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Yeah, okay. Um...
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I played some tennis.
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Uh,
but I was pretty distracted.
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Because you thought your mom
and dad were gonna kill you.
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No, I knew
that they were going to kill us.
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It was just a matter of when.
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Which is why the boat trip was so scary.
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Yeah, I think if the captain
hadn't been there,
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then, yeah, that's probably when
they were gonna do it.
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They probably would've shot us,
and then thrown us in the water
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and said we drowned.
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But, Lyle, I really want you
to walk me through that Sunday.
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The day it... The day it happened.
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Yeah, okay.
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We need to get out.
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Where are they?
Where the fuck are Mom and Dad?
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I don't know. I mean,
I think they're downstairs. The TV's on.
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Let's just... Let's just get
the fuck out of here.
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Meet me at the car. I need you to be
there in one minute, okay? Stay calm.
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Where you going?
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- We're just going to the movies.
- Oh, no, you're not.
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You're not leaving this house.
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We just wanna go to the movies.
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You're staying right here,
and you, Erik, get upstairs. Get upstairs.
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No. No. You're not gonna touch my brother.
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You're never gonna fucking touch
my brother ever again.
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Your brother is my son, and I can do
whatever I want with him. Move away.
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Move away.
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You're just gonna fucking stand there
and you're gonna let him do it!
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You don't get to talk to me.
You don't get to say anything!
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You ruined this family.
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Kitty, let's go.
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Let's go.
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What did you think
they were going in there to do?
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I thought they'd grab their guns.
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Where are their guns?
Are their guns upstairs?
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I don't know. Do we... Do we go check?
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Here.
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No, there's not enough time. Um,
grab your shotgun and meet me at the car.
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But that's not what happened, is it?
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No, but that's what we thought
was going to happen.
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I don't believe it.
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What?
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I don't believe a word you are saying
if I am the jury.
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Okay.
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When you first told me that story,
you felt every emotion again,
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which meant I felt it too.
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I was right there with you.
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But for some reason,
when you sit in that chair,
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I feel like you're making it all up.
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- I'm trying to get the story straight.
- No. Forget the story. That's my job.
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You put a shotgun to your mother's face.
Did you not?
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Why did you do that?
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We were, I guess,
trying to put her out of her misery.
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No, you're not a farmer, Lyle.
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She is not your prized sow.
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Why did she deserve to die?
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- Because she let him rape us.
- Yes!
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Thank you.
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Because she let him rape you.
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I need to feel the pain of that, Lyle.
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The jury needs to feel that.
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This woman, your mother, let him rape you.
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You are up for the death penalty.
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Show me what that felt like.
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So, like, the......emotions?
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Yes.
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So, do you want me to cry?
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Because I can do that.
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Yes.
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I just wanted to help her.
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I loved her so much.
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And I felt so bad for her.
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I was the one who found her suicide note.
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So, I was the only one
who really knew what she was...
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planning on doing to herself.
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And I told her that she should leave him.
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That we would side
with her in the divorce. And that I just...
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I wanted to help. So, if she needed
to move back to Princeton
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and live with me, that was okay.
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And I told her that I would help
her stop taking so many fucking pills.
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And I told her
that things would be okay.
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And I wanted everything to be okay,
and I wasn't.
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I was a fucking liar
because not everything was okay.
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But I loved her.
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I loved her, and I still do.
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I love my mom.
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I love my mommy.
252
00:17:13,991 --> 00:17:15,325
Very good, Lyle.
253
00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:19,955
Now we're talking.
254
00:18:44,081 --> 00:18:45,081
Oh!
255
00:19:20,534 --> 00:19:21,660
Okay.
256
00:19:23,787 --> 00:19:24,787
Ms. Abramson.
257
00:19:29,793 --> 00:19:32,838
Don't worry. It's just large print
so I can read it.
258
00:19:32,921 --> 00:19:35,174
I won't be going
as long as the prosecution did.
259
00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:45,517
This trial...
This trial isn't going to be about who.
260
00:19:46,518 --> 00:19:50,105
It's not going to be about
what, when, or where.
261
00:19:51,148 --> 00:19:54,234
This trial is going to be about why.
262
00:19:55,235 --> 00:20:00,699
Why did Erik and Lyle Menendez
kill their parents?
263
00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:02,910
It's a simple question.
264
00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:05,370
But the answer you are about to hear
265
00:20:05,454 --> 00:20:08,415
over the next few weeks and months
266
00:20:08,498 --> 00:20:11,251
from over 50 witnesses and experts,
267
00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:14,671
the answer is far from simple.
268
00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:20,052
You will learn
in gruesome, shocking detail
269
00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:26,308
how Jose Menendez
was a sexually perverted sadist
270
00:20:26,391 --> 00:20:28,227
who molested his sons.
271
00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:34,233
How, in fact, Kitty Menendez enjoyed
sexually molesting her children, too.
272
00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:40,364
What did these boys, these children, do
to deserve abuse like that?
273
00:20:40,447 --> 00:20:42,950
What did they ever do?
274
00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:46,119
Well, I will tell you what Erik
and Lyle are guilty of.
275
00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:48,580
The only thing they are guilty of
276
00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:52,084
is loving the mother and father
who tortured them.
277
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,878
So when Erik and Lyle endured
278
00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:59,341
the horrific ordeal
of shooting their parents,
279
00:20:59,424 --> 00:21:03,762
it was not out of malice or revenge.
280
00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:09,601
It wasn't about fancy cars
or brand-new clothes.
281
00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,520
It wasn't about money.
282
00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:17,484
They fired those guns in self-defense.
283
00:21:19,653 --> 00:21:23,156
They shot the mother and father they loved
284
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,953
so that Jose and Kitty Menendez
wouldn't kill them first.
285
00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:38,338
It's such an interesting angle.
286
00:21:38,422 --> 00:21:43,385
What a coincidence
it's exactly the same defense you used
287
00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:46,221
in the Arnel Salvatierra case.
288
00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:49,599
And he walked on a manslaughter charge.
289
00:21:50,684 --> 00:21:52,978
I guess that's why they hired you.
290
00:21:54,396 --> 00:21:59,526
Oh! Wait a minute.
That wasn't their defense to start with.
291
00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:02,112
They pled not guilty.
292
00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:06,283
You didn't make up
the sexual abuse, did you?
293
00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:09,036
Because it sure worked last time.
294
00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:16,168
You know what, Dominick?
295
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,963
I'm very sorry about
what happened to your daughter.
296
00:22:20,047 --> 00:22:21,757
That man should not have walked free.
297
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,176
And he wouldn't have
if I had anything to do with it.
298
00:22:24,259 --> 00:22:27,304
But you should realize,
he gave you something.
299
00:22:27,387 --> 00:22:31,266
He gave you a career
and a fucking point of view.
300
00:22:33,518 --> 00:22:36,271
For that, you should thank him.
301
00:22:37,397 --> 00:22:41,818
But still, what if they did think
their lives were in danger that night,
302
00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:44,279
that their parents
were going to kill them?
303
00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:49,701
Ah, the old imperfect
self-defense theory.
304
00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:54,331
Well, darling, I've got some real estate
near the San Andreas Fault
305
00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:55,540
I'd like to sell you.
306
00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:58,168
And what a story.
307
00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:00,212
It's a Greek tragedy.
308
00:23:00,295 --> 00:23:04,216
Brothers tormented and abused for years,
309
00:23:04,299 --> 00:23:07,677
and fearful for their lives,
kill their parents
310
00:23:07,761 --> 00:23:11,264
in a desperate act of self-defense.
311
00:23:11,348 --> 00:23:17,020
It's also utterly preposterous
and riddled with plot holes.
312
00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:21,733
If Jose and Kitty were planning
on murdering their sons that Sunday,
313
00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:26,154
why was Kitty inviting her friend
Karen Wiere over to the house
314
00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:29,241
to play bridge that very same night?
315
00:23:29,324 --> 00:23:33,829
Well, even if you and Peter get back
from Santa Barbara late, give us a ring.
316
00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:35,705
Maybe you can still come over.
317
00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:39,918
And were Lyle and Erik
really scared
318
00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:43,713
that their parents were going
to murder them during that boat ride?
319
00:23:43,797 --> 00:23:45,924
You guys ready to catch some sharks?
320
00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:49,886
When there were three
other people on that boat as well.
321
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:52,305
I thought this was going to be private.
322
00:23:52,389 --> 00:23:53,723
Hmm...
323
00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:58,061
Also, did you know
Kitty and Jose were flying to Princeton
324
00:23:58,145 --> 00:23:59,646
the week they were killed
325
00:23:59,729 --> 00:24:05,235
to help Lyle furnish the new condo
they just bought him,
326
00:24:05,318 --> 00:24:10,157
which suggests they maybe
weren't planning to kill him?
327
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,953
Kitty Menendez was filling out
Erik's college registration
328
00:24:15,036 --> 00:24:16,788
the night they were murdered.
329
00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:19,040
Now, for sake of argument,
330
00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:23,128
let's say Lyle and Erik
did murder their parents in self-defense
331
00:24:23,211 --> 00:24:25,630
because they were afraid for their lives.
332
00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:30,719
Wouldn't they then call the police
and tell them the truth?
333
00:24:31,595 --> 00:24:36,558
Wouldn't they confess and come forward
with all the terrible family secrets
334
00:24:36,641 --> 00:24:38,852
they've been hiding for years?
335
00:24:40,061 --> 00:24:41,688
Wouldn't they behave
336
00:24:41,771 --> 00:24:46,902
as if they had one shred of guilt
over what they'd done?
337
00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:50,989
But no, that's not what happened.
338
00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:52,574
What did they do instead?
339
00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:58,163
They lied right from the very beginning.
340
00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:03,835
Okay. You're gonna... Are you sure
you can do it? Because they're gonna know.
341
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:06,129
No, they're not gonna fucking know, Erik!
342
00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:07,923
Hey. Hey.
343
00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:12,135
- We fucking got this. We fucking got this.
- We're gonna fucking do this.
344
00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:14,721
- We fucking got this.
- Yeah, we're gonna fucking do this!
345
00:25:14,804 --> 00:25:16,848
- I love you so much, Lyle.
- I love you, too.
346
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:18,600
I love you so much, E, okay?
347
00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:21,269
Don't screw it up, okay?
348
00:25:30,403 --> 00:25:31,863
Beverly Hills Emergency.
349
00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:33,615
Somebody killed our parents.
350
00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:37,160
They lied and lied and lied
351
00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:42,999
and kept on lying
at least 50 times by my count.
352
00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:47,587
They lied to the public,
their friends and relatives, to the press.
353
00:25:47,671 --> 00:25:52,300
And then they lied to make sure they got
their share of the inheritance money.
354
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:54,094
But what about the relatives?
355
00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,930
They testified that Jose was abusive,
356
00:25:57,013 --> 00:25:59,599
that living in that household
was a nightmare.
357
00:25:59,683 --> 00:26:02,310
My brother could be very possessive.
358
00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:06,856
Lyle was not allowed
to express his opinions.
359
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:07,941
What about Erik?
360
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,527
He thought he was weak.
361
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:12,070
Too tender.
362
00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:16,032
He'd tell him he wasn't worthy
of the name Menendez.
363
00:26:16,741 --> 00:26:20,495
Sometimes he would do things
to hurt him, make him cry,
364
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,789
then taunt him and call him "sissy."
365
00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:27,210
He wanted to toughen him up.
366
00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:31,673
How many summers would you
estimate you spent with your cousins?
367
00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:33,036
I spent eight summers with them.
368
00:26:33,091 --> 00:26:36,636
And when you stayed with your cousins
over those summers,
369
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,889
did you ever see any evidence
of sexual abuse?
370
00:26:39,973 --> 00:26:42,309
No, not directly.
371
00:26:42,392 --> 00:26:47,480
But I did know that Lyle and Erik
took showers with their dad
372
00:26:47,564 --> 00:26:48,815
after tennis lessons.
373
00:26:49,524 --> 00:26:53,028
And as soon as Jose took
either one of the boys into their room,
374
00:26:53,111 --> 00:26:54,237
he'd lock the door.
375
00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:58,908
And Kitty made it clear,
you did not go down that hallway. Ever.
376
00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:01,745
Look, I'll concede the point.
377
00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:05,707
Growing up Menendez was no picnic.
378
00:27:06,458 --> 00:27:10,795
But who at this table didn't experience
some form of abuse
379
00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:12,172
when they were growing up?
380
00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:16,468
By today's standards,
I certainly was a victim of child abuse.
381
00:27:16,551 --> 00:27:19,387
My father beat me mercilessly
382
00:27:20,096 --> 00:27:22,932
with straps, hangers, a riding belt.
383
00:27:23,516 --> 00:27:27,646
I'm partially deaf
because of one of his beatings.
384
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:30,940
He thought I was a sissy, too.
385
00:27:33,568 --> 00:27:35,236
But I didn't murder him.
386
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,489
I escaped the old-fashioned way.
387
00:27:37,572 --> 00:27:40,033
I moved out, started my life.
388
00:27:40,116 --> 00:27:43,203
But, Nick, you weren't sexually abused.
389
00:27:43,286 --> 00:27:46,915
Neither were
the Menendez brothers.
390
00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:49,918
Neither Lyle or Erik ever mentioned
391
00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:53,505
that they were sexually abused
to Jerome Oziel.
392
00:27:53,588 --> 00:27:57,217
That's a fairly sizable omission.
393
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:01,096
If you're already confessing
to murdering your parents,
394
00:28:01,179 --> 00:28:03,723
why not come clean about all of it?
395
00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:07,060
So you think it's bullshit?
They're making it all up?
396
00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:11,147
According to a Menendez relative
I've been talking to...
397
00:28:11,231 --> 00:28:12,774
Which relative?
398
00:28:12,857 --> 00:28:15,110
Sorry, Linda,
I have to protect my sources.
399
00:28:16,611 --> 00:28:19,531
But, according to him,
400
00:28:19,614 --> 00:28:23,326
the brothers came up
with the sexual abuse angle
401
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:29,416
after reading several books
about parricide and incest.
402
00:28:29,499 --> 00:28:32,711
Those books would give them
all the details they'd need
403
00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:35,547
to convince a jury
it had happened to them.
404
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:38,883
And from Leslie's perspective,
405
00:28:39,634 --> 00:28:43,304
the sexual abuse angle could also serve
406
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:45,724
to deflect attention away from...
407
00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:50,270
Erik's sexuality.
408
00:28:52,313 --> 00:28:56,735
Wait. You... you mean to say
that Erik is, uh...
409
00:28:57,318 --> 00:28:59,487
Well, I was chatting the other day
410
00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:04,159
with my new favorite lunch buddy,
Pam Bozanich, and she said...
411
00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:06,327
Everybody knows Erik's gay.
412
00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:09,372
It's like a big, open secret
nobody wants to talk about.
413
00:29:09,456 --> 00:29:11,791
My team knows it, the defense knows it,
414
00:29:11,875 --> 00:29:14,461
but any time it's even hinted at in court,
415
00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:17,672
Leslie goes fucking ballistic.
416
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,841
What makes you think he is?
417
00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:23,595
Well, we've heard he's been receiving
blowjobs from some of the other inmates.
418
00:29:26,222 --> 00:29:29,976
Well, that doesn't make you gay.
That just makes you popular.
419
00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:35,857
Also, he did pose for some rather
homoerotic photos with a gay photographer.
420
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,402
Okay, so maybe Erik is gay,
421
00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:42,113
but being in the closet
doesn't make you a murderer, Nick.
422
00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:44,199
It doesn't even make you a bad person.
423
00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:48,077
No, it doesn't.
424
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,373
But just maybe
425
00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:58,171
the brothers were hiding
an even deeper, darker secret.
426
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:05,553
A secret that had nothing to do with Jose.
427
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:10,558
And maybe that's what Kitty knew about.
428
00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:15,897
Erik! How many times have I told you?!
429
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:18,983
Do not leave your sweaty tennis shorts
on the floor.
430
00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:21,319
You're gonna stink up the whole house!
431
00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:39,546
Nick, are you saying that Lyle and Erik
432
00:30:39,629 --> 00:30:44,300
were... together with each other?
433
00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:48,054
It's the idea of transference.
434
00:30:49,305 --> 00:30:52,433
It's easier to accuse Jose of sexual abuse
435
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,979
than to acknowledge
the real incestuous relationship.
436
00:30:56,062 --> 00:30:57,856
The consensual one.
437
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,902
Imagine the guilt and shame
the brothers would feel
438
00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:05,280
if their secret ever came out.
439
00:31:06,906 --> 00:31:12,036
And perhaps they killed their parents
so that it never would.
440
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:19,127
Look, my main point here is that
regardless of what happened to them,
441
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:22,213
Lyle and Erik aren't entitled
to forgiveness.
442
00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:26,801
Leslie and her team think that
if they can distract us from the facts,
443
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:30,054
keep certain evidence
out of the courtroom,
444
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:34,267
confuse us with outlandish legal theories,
445
00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:35,727
drum up enough sympathy,
446
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:40,398
and portray the brothers as hapless lads
straight out of a Charles Dickens novel,
447
00:31:40,481 --> 00:31:41,816
we'll all fall for it,
448
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,820
and they'll get the Hollywood ending
she thinks they deserve.
449
00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:52,619
But when you savagely snuff out
another person's life...
450
00:31:56,664 --> 00:32:01,294
it shouldn't matter
how crummy your childhood was.
451
00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:05,965
You should be punished
to the fullest extent of the law.
452
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:10,178
That's the ending
the Menendez brothers deserve.
453
00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:15,350
And I pray for the sake of justice
454
00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:19,312
it's the ending they get.
455
00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:29,489
Mr. Dunne, we're about to head out.
456
00:32:29,572 --> 00:32:30,949
Anything else you need?
457
00:32:33,868 --> 00:32:35,036
What's your name?
458
00:32:35,703 --> 00:32:37,330
Paul. Paul D'Emilio.
459
00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:43,628
Well, Paul, there's a slice
of completely untouched tiramisu here.
460
00:32:44,212 --> 00:32:45,838
I'd hate for it to go to waste.
461
00:32:46,422 --> 00:32:47,340
I wish I could,
462
00:32:47,423 --> 00:32:51,803
but I've got a photo shoot tomorrow
and I think I have to go shirtless.
463
00:32:53,513 --> 00:32:57,183
The sacrifices we make for our vocation.
464
00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:06,150
Mr. Dunne, I just wanted to say
465
00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:10,238
I'm so sorry about what happened
to your daughter.
466
00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:13,199
I loved her in Poltergeist.
467
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,619
It was, like,
one of my favorite movies as a kid.
468
00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:18,746
Haven't seen it in years.
469
00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,126
Can't bring myself to watch it.
470
00:33:26,796 --> 00:33:28,006
Uh...
471
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:31,509
What the hell.
A bite or two of tiramisu won't kill me.
472
00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:34,887
I can work it off at the gym
in the morning before the shoot.
473
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,681
May I?
474
00:33:36,764 --> 00:33:37,890
By all means.
475
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,940
I'm assuming you don't have kids.
476
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,985
Not yet. One day, maybe.
477
00:33:49,777 --> 00:33:54,532
My ex-wife and I had two daughters
before Dominique,
478
00:33:55,616 --> 00:33:57,744
but they both died in infancy...
479
00:33:59,829 --> 00:34:04,959
which made Dominique our miracle daughter,
480
00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:06,919
our angel,
481
00:34:08,921 --> 00:34:11,591
who we always assumed would bury us.
482
00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:15,762
That's the way
it's supposed to be, right?
483
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:32,487
I was... convinced
484
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:35,782
that would be the most difficult moment
485
00:34:36,365 --> 00:34:38,242
of the entire ordeal...
486
00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:42,246
...of our entire lives.
487
00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:44,957
But I was wrong.
488
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:51,172
Far worse was watching
the trial of John Sweeney
489
00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:55,676
and how the defense tried
to make him out to be the victim.
490
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,053
How old were you?
491
00:34:58,262 --> 00:34:59,722
I was about five.
492
00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:04,519
I remember my dad
flying into a drunken rage
493
00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:07,647
and squeezing my mother's neck.
494
00:35:09,065 --> 00:35:11,317
I was terrified he was gonna kill her.
495
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:14,695
And was he ever
violent toward you?
496
00:35:15,446 --> 00:35:16,446
Yes.
497
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:18,699
Multiple times.
498
00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:22,078
The abuse was endless.
499
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:24,956
Well, let me tell you about abuse.
500
00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:34,173
He strangled Dominique... for five minutes.
501
00:35:36,884 --> 00:35:40,638
My girl... fought...
502
00:35:42,682 --> 00:35:45,393
for five minutes.
503
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:50,314
The bastard even admitted it
right there on the lawn.
504
00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:54,152
- I killed her. I tried to kill myself.
- Hands where we can see them!
505
00:36:03,411 --> 00:36:06,080
He spent three and a half years in prison.
506
00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:10,585
Got a job as a chef in Santa Monica.
507
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:15,006
That's... That's not justice.
508
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:16,883
No, it's not.
509
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:20,094
That's why
510
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:24,223
I never believe a word that
comes out of a defense attorney's mouth.
511
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:29,312
They'll lie, cheat, steal,
anything to win.
512
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:35,693
Even if it means desecrating the memory
of the real victims.
513
00:36:37,111 --> 00:36:42,200
Which is like murdering them
a second time.
514
00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:51,542
How was the tiramisu?
515
00:36:52,168 --> 00:36:54,295
Clearly, it was very good.
516
00:36:55,338 --> 00:36:56,422
Clearly.
517
00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:07,642
I could stay longer if you want.
518
00:37:16,692 --> 00:37:18,194
It's getting late, Paul.
519
00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:24,533
And, um, Lyle Menendez
takes the stand tomorrow.
520
00:37:27,286 --> 00:37:30,164
But thank you... for listening.
521
00:37:31,707 --> 00:37:33,459
And good luck with your shoot.
522
00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:17,712
The defense
calls Joseph Lyle Menendez.
523
00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:19,755
Raise your right hand.
524
00:38:20,256 --> 00:38:21,590
Do you solemnly state
525
00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:24,593
that the testimony you shall give
in this matter is the truth,
526
00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:28,222
the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth, so help you God?
527
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:30,433
- I do.
- Please be seated.
528
00:38:38,774 --> 00:38:42,111
Were your parents Mary Louise Menendez
and Jose Menendez?
529
00:38:42,194 --> 00:38:43,194
Yes.
530
00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:45,364
Did you love your mom and dad?
531
00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:47,824
Yes.
532
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,328
And on August 20th, 1989,
533
00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:53,122
did you and your brother
kill your mother and father?
534
00:38:55,541 --> 00:38:56,541
Yes.
535
00:38:56,917 --> 00:38:58,836
Why did you kill your parents?
536
00:38:59,795 --> 00:39:01,547
Because we were afraid.
537
00:39:03,049 --> 00:39:06,886
Do you remember firing
a very close shot at your father?
538
00:39:07,595 --> 00:39:09,638
I believe so. I don't remember.
539
00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:11,265
I remember the picture.
540
00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:15,394
The picture you saw here? You're
talking about your dad's head wound?
541
00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:20,775
And at some point, was your gun empty?
542
00:39:23,235 --> 00:39:24,235
Yes.
543
00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:27,948
And was there something
about your mother you learned then?
544
00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:30,368
Where you saw something
or you heard something?
545
00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:35,206
You could, uh, sort of see
behind my dad moving.
546
00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:37,291
Seemed like moving.
547
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:40,669
Uh, and, um...
548
00:39:42,129 --> 00:39:45,174
I... reloaded.
549
00:39:46,258 --> 00:39:47,510
You reloaded?
550
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:50,888
- Is that a yes?
- Yes.
551
00:39:52,264 --> 00:39:54,809
And what did you do
after you reloaded?
552
00:40:02,024 --> 00:40:03,567
Um... I, uh...
553
00:40:04,735 --> 00:40:08,989
I... I reached over and I shot her close.
554
00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:19,583
Lyle, taking your attention
to when you were six,
555
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:23,546
did your father ever take photographs
of you and your brother?
556
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:25,756
Yes.
557
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,302
Your Honor, can you please
ask the witness to speak up?
558
00:40:30,928 --> 00:40:34,640
Yes. Mr. Menendez, if you wouldn't mind
speaking a bit closer to the mic.
559
00:40:35,224 --> 00:40:36,725
I'm sorry, Your Honor.
560
00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:46,569
Mr. Menendez, this envelope says
"Erik's Sixth Birthday" on it.
561
00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:53,367
- You recognize this photograph?
- That's me.
562
00:40:53,868 --> 00:40:54,869
And this one?
563
00:40:57,037 --> 00:40:58,164
That is my brother.
564
00:40:58,664 --> 00:41:02,084
- You recognize the mark on your brother?
- The, uh, birthmark.
565
00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:04,420
The brown birthmark.
566
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:08,257
And when your father
would take photos of this nature...
567
00:41:10,426 --> 00:41:14,638
did he seem to take photos of your faces?
568
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:21,312
Uh, no.
He would take photos of our genital area,
569
00:41:21,395 --> 00:41:24,940
um, of like, your lower half
of your body, and, uh...
570
00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:28,694
or if you're bending over.
571
00:41:29,403 --> 00:41:34,617
And between the ages
of six and eight...
572
00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:41,874
did your father ever have
sexual contact with you?
573
00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:47,588
Yes.
574
00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:48,964
How did it start?
575
00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:55,429
Just, um...
576
00:42:02,311 --> 00:42:03,687
It just started with, uh...
577
00:42:05,814 --> 00:42:11,487
After sports practices,
he would, um, massage me.
578
00:42:13,822 --> 00:42:15,032
Um...
579
00:42:16,158 --> 00:42:21,622
And he, uh,
would show me and fondle me
580
00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:24,500
and ask me to do the same with him.
581
00:42:28,587 --> 00:42:31,340
And he would put me on the ground.
582
00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:37,388
And would, you know, guide my movements.
583
00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:41,517
And I would have, uh...
584
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:44,728
oral sex with him.
585
00:42:47,273 --> 00:42:48,857
Did you want to do this?
586
00:42:54,905 --> 00:42:57,783
And at some point,
did he do other things to you?
587
00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:01,411
Yes.
588
00:43:01,954 --> 00:43:02,954
Um...
589
00:43:04,915 --> 00:43:05,916
He...
590
00:43:10,462 --> 00:43:12,673
Yeah, he would use objects,
591
00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:15,426
a toothbrush...
592
00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:22,057
and a, um... some sort of shaving utensil.
593
00:43:23,892 --> 00:43:25,519
What did he do with them?
594
00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:30,399
We would have object sessions.
595
00:43:31,942 --> 00:43:36,530
Uh, he would lay me on the bed,
and... I would be naked,
596
00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:40,784
and he had a tube of Vaseline,
and he just...
597
00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:43,746
He played with me.
598
00:43:48,292 --> 00:43:50,085
And at some point,
599
00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:54,381
did your father try to anally
penetrate you with something else?
600
00:43:58,427 --> 00:43:59,845
Uh, he did. He...
601
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,639
raped me.
602
00:44:04,558 --> 00:44:05,559
Did you cry?
603
00:44:08,771 --> 00:44:09,771
Yes.
604
00:44:10,898 --> 00:44:12,608
- Did you bleed?
- Yes.
605
00:44:14,068 --> 00:44:15,235
Were you scared?
606
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:16,319
Very.
607
00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:19,198
Did you ask him not to?
608
00:44:19,698 --> 00:44:21,075
Yes.
609
00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:26,455
I said that I didn't... I'm sorry.
610
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:35,005
I said that I didn't want to do this
and that it hurt.
611
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:39,343
And he said he didn't mean to hurt me,
and that he loved me.
612
00:44:39,426 --> 00:44:41,428
- Did you tell your mom?
- Yes.
613
00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:45,766
- What did you say to your mom?
- I told her to tell Dad to leave me alone.
614
00:44:47,142 --> 00:44:48,602
That he keeps touching me.
615
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,020
What did your mom say?
616
00:44:50,104 --> 00:44:54,400
She said, "Stop that.
And that you're exaggerating."
617
00:44:54,483 --> 00:44:57,861
"Your dad has to punish you
when you do things wrong."
618
00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,156
And she said that he loved me.
619
00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,747
And did you ever tell anyone else?
620
00:45:09,498 --> 00:45:12,710
No. No, because I was afraid,
621
00:45:12,793 --> 00:45:16,088
and my dad didn't want me to.
622
00:45:16,171 --> 00:45:20,092
He said that bad things would happen
if I told anyone,
623
00:45:20,175 --> 00:45:22,886
that he would, um, kill me.
624
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:25,055
Did you tell your brother?
625
00:45:31,186 --> 00:45:32,186
No.
626
00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:37,484
Did you do something
to your brother?
627
00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:45,868
Yes.
628
00:45:48,328 --> 00:45:49,997
What did you do to your brother?
629
00:45:57,004 --> 00:45:59,506
Sometimes I would, when I felt, um...
630
00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:01,300
I don't know...
631
00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:08,640
I took a toothbrush and...
632
00:46:11,059 --> 00:46:12,978
played with Erik in the same way.
633
00:46:18,358 --> 00:46:19,651
I'm sorry.
634
00:46:22,112 --> 00:46:23,322
I'm sorry.
635
00:46:24,323 --> 00:46:25,574
I'm so sorry.
636
00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:50,766
I don't know what happened in there.
That was unbelievable.
637
00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:53,477
It was actually unbelievable!
638
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,188
And the room bought it!
639
00:46:56,271 --> 00:46:59,024
They bought it. I really think
that they fucking bought all of it.
640
00:47:00,609 --> 00:47:01,609
I...
641
00:47:02,653 --> 00:47:03,653
Uh...
642
00:47:05,697 --> 00:47:08,700
I'm so sorry, Pam.
You'll have to excuse me.
643
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,749
See, I told you I could move the jury.
644
00:47:16,583 --> 00:47:18,293
Ten to two. That's how it's gonna go.
645
00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:21,380
Because that was the greatest testimony
ever given in a courtroom.
646
00:47:21,463 --> 00:47:22,673
I was like a white knight.
647
00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:24,508
Yeah. Oh, I agree.
648
00:47:24,591 --> 00:47:26,510
And I'm not going to stop
at just a book.
649
00:47:26,593 --> 00:47:29,513
I'm gonna take this whole fucking thing
and turn it into a screenplay
650
00:47:29,596 --> 00:47:30,430
and make a movie.
651
00:47:30,514 --> 00:47:32,766
You know who could play me?
Richard fucking Grieco.
652
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:34,142
Honestly, sky's the limit.
653
00:47:34,226 --> 00:47:37,271
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the jury
wrote the judge a note and said,
654
00:47:37,354 --> 00:47:41,358
"We don't need to fucking hear anymore.
Okay, let's just wrap this shit up."
655
00:47:41,441 --> 00:47:44,236
I could probably produce 10,000 letters
from people saying
656
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:47,406
that they would be willing
to let me stay in their homes. 10,000.
657
00:47:47,489 --> 00:47:50,033
I mean, even a fucking priest said
that he would take me in.
658
00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:52,369
Yeah, yeah, a fucking priest.
659
00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:07,759
I owe you an apology.
660
00:48:10,304 --> 00:48:14,641
No need to apologize, Dominick.
Just quit stalking me.
661
00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:18,520
I'm sorry. I... I had no idea.
662
00:48:20,856 --> 00:48:22,024
I believe him,
663
00:48:23,275 --> 00:48:26,486
which means one of two things.
664
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:33,118
Either those two boys endured
the most sickening abuse imaginable
665
00:48:33,201 --> 00:48:36,455
and their parents got exactly
what was coming to them,
666
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:43,795
or you were able to coach that performance
out of a lying, murderous psychopath.
667
00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:51,887
I don't know which one
of those possibilities scares me more.
668
00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:56,975
In either case, congratulations, I guess.
669
00:49:03,857 --> 00:49:04,857
Dominick.
670
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:14,826
I'm really sorry.
671
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:17,663
She was a beautiful girl.
672
00:49:19,247 --> 00:49:21,291
And she had her whole life ahead of her.
673
00:49:29,925 --> 00:49:32,386
You know what her last words to me were?
674
00:49:34,346 --> 00:49:35,806
"I love you, Daddy."
675
00:49:40,477 --> 00:49:42,980
At least I'll have that forever.