1 00:00:22,772 --> 00:00:24,149 - Laurel. - Jerry! 2 00:00:25,692 --> 00:00:26,609 Jerry. 3 00:00:26,693 --> 00:00:27,986 - No, no. - Oh my God. 4 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:31,239 You need to come back home right now. 5 00:00:31,322 --> 00:00:33,867 - What? What are you talking about? - No, right now. 6 00:00:33,950 --> 00:00:35,201 What the fuck? 7 00:00:40,999 --> 00:00:43,543 - How many square feet is the kitchen? - 380 square feet. 8 00:00:43,626 --> 00:00:44,711 Uh-huh. 9 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:47,881 - Parking in the back? - Four spaces. 10 00:00:50,717 --> 00:00:53,386 That's fucking great. I mean... 11 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:57,599 - Heart of Westwood, close to UCLA. - It's perfect, dude. 12 00:00:58,266 --> 00:01:00,643 It's a fucking gold mine. 13 00:01:03,188 --> 00:01:04,188 Hello. 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,400 Gus, what's happening, my man? 15 00:01:08,943 --> 00:01:10,445 How's the restaurant? 16 00:01:11,362 --> 00:01:12,405 Huh? 17 00:01:15,283 --> 00:01:16,283 What? 18 00:01:16,993 --> 00:01:18,078 Jerry! 19 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:22,082 - What in the fuck is going on here? - Jerry! 20 00:01:23,541 --> 00:01:25,960 Dr. Oziel, as I explained to your wife, 21 00:01:26,044 --> 00:01:28,755 we've been granted a lawful court order to search your home. 22 00:01:28,838 --> 00:01:29,964 On what fucking grounds? 23 00:01:30,048 --> 00:01:33,510 Well, we have come to believe there are relevant tape recordings 24 00:01:33,593 --> 00:01:36,429 related to the murder of Jose and Kitty Menendez. 25 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:38,348 Who told you that? 26 00:01:38,431 --> 00:01:40,141 He recorded their sessions. 27 00:01:40,683 --> 00:01:43,353 He got their confessions all on tape. 28 00:01:43,436 --> 00:01:46,064 We're talking hours and hours of them talking 29 00:01:46,147 --> 00:01:50,235 about how they planned it, why they did it, if they felt any remorse. 30 00:01:50,318 --> 00:01:52,028 Let's just say a credible source. 31 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:53,822 - It was her, Jer. - Not now, Laurel. 32 00:01:53,905 --> 00:01:56,241 - You know it was that crazy bitch. - I said, not now. 33 00:01:56,324 --> 00:01:58,034 Would you like to go get dressed? 34 00:01:58,118 --> 00:01:59,994 For the record, I'd like to make it clear 35 00:02:00,078 --> 00:02:03,706 that I in no way violated the confidentiality of my patients, 36 00:02:03,790 --> 00:02:06,835 nor was I aware this search was going to take place, 37 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:10,839 as is evidenced by the state of undress of my wife, and the fact that I was... 38 00:02:10,922 --> 00:02:12,549 We understand that, doctor. 39 00:02:13,049 --> 00:02:15,218 Now, where are the tapes? 40 00:02:19,931 --> 00:02:21,099 What... 41 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:22,683 Whoa. 42 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,903 - What is this? - Just fucking take it, okay. 43 00:02:24,936 --> 00:02:28,356 If the cops are gonna arrest me, then I'm gonna need you to bail me out, 44 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:30,316 then call my attorney, Gerry Chaleff. 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,403 - Lyle, you're being paranoid. - I'm not being fucking paranoid, Glenn. 46 00:02:33,486 --> 00:02:35,989 Those cops still think that Erik and I killed our parents. 47 00:02:36,072 --> 00:02:38,283 I don't know who the fuck else they've been talking to. 48 00:02:39,284 --> 00:02:41,327 They probably talked to my therapist, Oziel. 49 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:44,098 Of course, he can't tell them shit 'cause of patient confidentiality. 50 00:02:44,122 --> 00:02:47,000 Fuck those cops. It's not your fault they can't find the killer. 51 00:02:47,083 --> 00:02:51,504 Hayden, if the police are able to somehow get around the confidentiality thing, 52 00:02:51,588 --> 00:02:55,049 and then they get their hands on those fucking tapes, I am fucked! 53 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:56,843 I am fucked! 54 00:02:56,926 --> 00:02:58,261 I'm fucked! 55 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:07,729 Do you think your mother deserved to die? 56 00:03:07,812 --> 00:03:10,064 I don't think we ever thought about it like that. 57 00:03:10,148 --> 00:03:11,148 It was more like, 58 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:17,030 "Well, if we're gonna kill our dad, we should probably just kill our mom too." 59 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:21,993 Did one of you feel differently about killing your mom? 60 00:03:22,076 --> 00:03:23,620 No, absolutely not. 61 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:28,041 There's no way that I was gonna make a decision to kill my mother 62 00:03:28,124 --> 00:03:29,918 without Erik's consent. 63 00:03:30,001 --> 00:03:32,503 I didn't even want to influence him on the issue. 64 00:03:32,587 --> 00:03:35,173 I just let him sleep on it for a few nights. 65 00:03:36,758 --> 00:03:37,926 Okay. Erik? 66 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:39,551 Yeah. 67 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:41,512 We had to kill her. 68 00:04:23,054 --> 00:04:25,473 Okay, who's up for some lunch? Come on. Come on. 69 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:27,850 - Yeah. - Let's go. Ready? I'm fucking starving. 70 00:04:28,351 --> 00:04:30,231 Sick ride, man. Did you get a good deal? 71 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:31,354 - Hey, Glenn? - Yeah? 72 00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:32,438 Shut the fuck up. 73 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:34,774 Dude, when are you getting your Porsche out of the shop? 74 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:37,819 Tomorrow, but till then I've got to drive Erik's piece of shit Wrangler. 75 00:04:46,869 --> 00:04:49,163 Whoa! 76 00:04:49,247 --> 00:04:51,916 Douchebag, what the fuck are you doing? God... 77 00:04:55,086 --> 00:04:57,088 Go, go, go! Let's move! 78 00:04:58,006 --> 00:05:00,591 Hands up where I can see them or I'll blow your fucking head off. 79 00:05:00,675 --> 00:05:02,861 - Get out! - Let me see your hands! 80 00:05:02,885 --> 00:05:05,430 Get out of the car. Get out of the car! Come over here. 81 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:08,349 Get on your knees. On your knees. Down on your stomach. 82 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:11,144 Put your hands behind your back. Don't move! 83 00:05:16,065 --> 00:05:19,277 Joseph Lyle Menendez, you have the right to remain silent. 84 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,947 Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have... 85 00:05:28,786 --> 00:05:30,663 How can this be happening, Gerry? 86 00:05:30,747 --> 00:05:33,791 You said they couldn't arrest us. You said they couldn't touch us. 87 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:36,419 You said that the police didn't have a case. 88 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:39,380 Well, it seems they do now, and apparently, the DA agrees. 89 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:43,301 Fuck! 90 00:05:45,762 --> 00:05:48,389 Okay. Well then, what am I supposed to do, Gerry? Tell me. 91 00:05:48,473 --> 00:05:50,683 Listen, I'm going to call my buddy, 92 00:05:50,767 --> 00:05:53,269 Robert Shapiro, top criminal attorney. 93 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:54,979 He can help us handle this. 94 00:05:55,688 --> 00:05:57,148 Okay? In the meantime, 95 00:05:57,231 --> 00:06:00,610 drop out of your tennis tournament and get the hell out of Israel. 96 00:06:00,693 --> 00:06:03,237 Last thing you want is to be arrested by Interpol, 97 00:06:03,321 --> 00:06:05,031 thrown into some Middle Eastern jail 98 00:06:05,114 --> 00:06:08,159 where your constitutional protections don't apply. 99 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:18,461 Come here. Let me take a look at you. 100 00:06:19,420 --> 00:06:21,923 Hey, there's that Menendez boy. 101 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:24,842 Ooh, Menendez. 102 00:06:25,635 --> 00:06:27,261 Holy crap, baby girl. 103 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:30,598 I heard you killed your parents. 104 00:06:31,432 --> 00:06:32,725 El bandito! 105 00:06:34,602 --> 00:06:37,480 Jesus Christ. I can't live in that. 106 00:06:38,314 --> 00:06:39,607 Well, you's about to. 107 00:06:40,191 --> 00:06:41,191 Now get in. 108 00:07:02,463 --> 00:07:04,090 Welcome to Los Angeles. 109 00:07:05,591 --> 00:07:07,844 Thank you for flying with us. Welcome. 110 00:07:12,181 --> 00:07:14,684 - It's okay. You don't have to handcuff me. - Sorry. 111 00:07:16,185 --> 00:07:17,185 It's regulation. 112 00:07:17,979 --> 00:07:19,814 You have the right to remain silent. 113 00:07:19,897 --> 00:07:23,025 Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. 114 00:07:23,109 --> 00:07:24,469 You have the right to an attorney. 115 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:27,238 If you cannot afford one, one will be provided for you. 116 00:08:28,591 --> 00:08:29,591 Erik? 117 00:08:31,427 --> 00:08:32,427 Erik? 118 00:08:33,387 --> 00:08:34,387 Lyle? 119 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:36,015 Hey! 120 00:08:36,098 --> 00:08:38,100 Lyle? Is that you? 121 00:08:38,601 --> 00:08:39,601 Yeah. 122 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:45,816 When did you get back to LA? 123 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:49,987 A... A couple of hours ago. The cops picked me up at LAX. 124 00:08:50,488 --> 00:08:53,282 I was so worried, E. I thought that maybe you might 125 00:08:54,867 --> 00:08:59,205 try to flee and... I don't know, I thought that I might never see you again. 126 00:08:59,705 --> 00:09:01,666 Of course, I was coming back. 127 00:09:03,668 --> 00:09:04,752 You're my brother. 128 00:09:09,006 --> 00:09:10,424 What are we gonna do? 129 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:14,512 - Lyle, what are we gonna tell people? - Hey... 130 00:09:15,471 --> 00:09:17,056 It's just us now, E. 131 00:09:18,849 --> 00:09:20,017 We're on our own. 132 00:09:24,355 --> 00:09:27,608 So that's Pert Plus, and that's shampoo and conditioner. 133 00:09:27,692 --> 00:09:30,361 I sent you some hairspray. You said Aqua Net? 134 00:09:30,444 --> 00:09:34,532 No, I said, not Aqua Net because they... confiscate that shit in here. 135 00:09:34,615 --> 00:09:36,450 You can make it into a torch, evidently. 136 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:37,534 I need mousse anyway, 137 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:39,787 so please just tell Jamie. Jamie knows what to get. 138 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:42,540 - Insert 10 cents for five more minutes. - Fuck! 139 00:09:45,167 --> 00:09:47,628 Okay. Make it fast because these phones, Robert, 140 00:09:47,712 --> 00:09:49,922 it's impossible to get any dimes in here. 141 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:53,009 Lyle, focus. We just have to tell them a more compelling story 142 00:09:53,092 --> 00:09:54,677 than the prosecution, okay? 143 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,847 "It was the Five Families." That's a very vague story. 144 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:01,892 Okay, well, then, uh... focus on one of the families. 145 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:05,813 Like, what's the one... The Bambinos, focus on them. 146 00:10:05,896 --> 00:10:08,774 - Insert 10 cents for five more minutes. - Fuck! 147 00:10:08,858 --> 00:10:12,653 Robert, what I need is fucking dimes, so can you... can you get on that? 148 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:13,737 Please. 149 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:15,906 Yo. Can I borrow a dime? 150 00:10:16,532 --> 00:10:18,993 Yeah, if you suck my dick. 151 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:20,953 Candy-ass. 152 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:30,630 Erik, you gotta eat. 153 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:32,464 I can't. 154 00:10:34,091 --> 00:10:35,092 Can I have your milk? 155 00:10:37,678 --> 00:10:39,430 You can't just drink milk, though. 156 00:10:45,853 --> 00:10:48,522 That dude over there won't stop staring at me. 157 00:10:48,606 --> 00:10:49,606 Don't look. 158 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:51,442 I'm gonna get killed in here. 159 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:53,068 I gotta go. 160 00:10:57,698 --> 00:10:59,700 ♪ I've no excuse ♪ 161 00:10:59,784 --> 00:11:01,994 Come on, man! What the fuck? Fuck! 162 00:11:03,037 --> 00:11:06,040 I feel like if we can get through this, we can get through anything. 163 00:11:06,123 --> 00:11:08,834 Yeah. So listen, hey, the mousse, right? 164 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:10,252 And then the wig tape. 165 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:12,546 And seriously, fucking dimes. 166 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:15,067 Grandma sent like five dimes. We need rolls and rolls of them. 167 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:16,592 Hey, Erik, you wanna talk to Jamie? 168 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:18,886 ♪ Dirty cash, I want you ♪ 169 00:11:18,969 --> 00:11:21,639 I need wig tape, okay? It's called Topstick. 170 00:11:21,722 --> 00:11:23,683 The wig, it attaches to hooks. 171 00:11:23,766 --> 00:11:26,560 But it's the tape that keeps the edges down. 172 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:29,230 That's how it stays on in the front. 173 00:11:29,313 --> 00:11:30,564 ♪ Money talks ♪ 174 00:11:31,148 --> 00:11:34,652 ♪ Dirty cash, I want you Dirty cash I need you, oh ♪ 175 00:11:34,735 --> 00:11:35,903 E... 176 00:11:36,612 --> 00:11:40,032 - Why is there milk in the toilet? - That's where I keep it cold. 177 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,243 Hey. 178 00:11:43,452 --> 00:11:45,621 You can't just drink milk, okay? 179 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:48,999 The food makes me wanna puke, Lyle. What am I supposed to do? 180 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,711 - Moist towelettes? - Yeah. 181 00:11:51,794 --> 00:11:55,798 As many of those as you can get because, uh, he's starting to stink. 182 00:11:55,881 --> 00:11:58,384 Wait. He's gonna, like, clean his body with them? 183 00:11:58,467 --> 00:11:59,552 I mean, hopefully? 184 00:12:00,094 --> 00:12:02,138 I think he's scared of the showers. 185 00:12:03,597 --> 00:12:07,768 ♪ I wasn't right, now that's all behind ♪ 186 00:12:08,686 --> 00:12:11,063 ♪ I want to get rich quick ♪ 187 00:12:11,147 --> 00:12:13,107 It just gets so fucking gummy with the tape. 188 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:15,359 Can't clean it right in here. 189 00:12:16,193 --> 00:12:17,862 Lyle, is that my toothbrush? 190 00:12:18,863 --> 00:12:19,739 Menendez. 191 00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:22,700 ♪ Money talks, umm-hmm Money talks ♪ 192 00:12:22,783 --> 00:12:23,993 ♪ Dirty cash I want... ♪ 193 00:12:24,076 --> 00:12:28,080 Here's 50 dollars. This will get you all the dimes you need. 194 00:12:28,164 --> 00:12:29,164 Fuck! 195 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:33,419 Grandma, you fucking moron! I don't need money. I need dimes! 196 00:12:33,502 --> 00:12:36,964 Dimes, dimes, dimes! Motherfucking dimes! 197 00:12:37,047 --> 00:12:40,676 We're fucking millionaires, and we can't get a roll of fucking dimes. 198 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,762 ♪ Dirty cash I need you, oh ♪ 199 00:12:44,096 --> 00:12:47,850 Uncle Carlos, we had absolutely nothing to do with the murders. 200 00:12:47,933 --> 00:12:52,396 Listen to me. I'm not giving you 100 fucking dollars for nine dimes. 201 00:13:03,324 --> 00:13:08,412 Now this mousse is 9.99, and I will give it to you for two dimes. Two! 202 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:12,583 ♪ I'm dirty cash The one that you asked for ♪ 203 00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:14,376 ♪ I'm wanted by the rich and the poor ♪ 204 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,212 ♪ More and more You just can't reject it ♪ 205 00:13:16,295 --> 00:13:18,380 ♪ You're the junkie and I inject it ♪ 206 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:20,716 ♪ nto your blood stream It's like a bad dream ♪ 207 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:21,801 Fuck! 208 00:13:22,551 --> 00:13:25,304 Showers here used to scare me, but they don't anymore. 209 00:13:25,387 --> 00:13:28,474 I wait 20 minutes so everybody else is done, then I go in. 210 00:13:28,557 --> 00:13:30,184 Get the showers all to myself. 211 00:13:30,684 --> 00:13:31,684 See you around. 212 00:13:31,727 --> 00:13:34,939 ♪ People are lying, woman or man anyone Who'll give them a hand, cash money ♪ 213 00:13:35,022 --> 00:13:36,148 Hey. 214 00:13:36,232 --> 00:13:37,441 Yeah, I'm not great. 215 00:13:38,692 --> 00:13:39,944 Hey, Uncle Carlos. 216 00:13:42,905 --> 00:13:46,742 We need fucking rolls and rolls. 217 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:49,036 ♪ Money talks, money talks ♪ 218 00:13:49,119 --> 00:13:51,932 You've gotta find a way to sneak it in here 'cause these guys hate wigs. 219 00:13:51,956 --> 00:13:54,583 ♪ Dirty cash, I want you Dirty cash, I need you, oh ♪ 220 00:15:34,850 --> 00:15:37,353 - See you around. - Yeah, see ya. 221 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:49,031 With two pieces a day, I can kinda make it look okay, 222 00:15:49,114 --> 00:15:51,075 but I really need more like four. 223 00:15:51,158 --> 00:15:52,993 Uh, the brand is called Topstick. 224 00:15:53,577 --> 00:15:56,789 Uh, and then I also need something... This one's really important. 225 00:15:56,872 --> 00:15:58,123 Bain de Soleil. 226 00:15:58,707 --> 00:16:01,085 Bain de Soleil. As much of that as you can get. 227 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:03,671 Bain de Soleil. What is that? 228 00:16:03,754 --> 00:16:05,214 - It's self-tanner. - Mmm. 229 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:09,050 Look at him. 230 00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:11,929 He looks like a fucking ghost. We both do. 231 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:15,182 It's the lights in here. They leech the vitamin D out of your bones. 232 00:16:15,265 --> 00:16:18,018 Hey, where are we with Castro? Is there any movement on that? 233 00:16:18,102 --> 00:16:22,022 Because everything with my father, it all fucking comes back to Cuba. 234 00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:24,650 You... you were just saying this the other day, were you not? 235 00:16:24,733 --> 00:16:26,527 - Yeah, I just think that... - Guys... 236 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:28,153 We got to get real here. 237 00:16:28,237 --> 00:16:31,407 I... I don't think you get what's going on here. 238 00:16:32,324 --> 00:16:35,995 We have to talk about your case, not about self-tanner and toupees. 239 00:16:36,078 --> 00:16:39,248 This makes me think you don't understand what's going on here, Mr. Shapiro, 240 00:16:39,331 --> 00:16:40,749 because this is 1990. 241 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,419 It's a new era, and this case is gonna be on television, 242 00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:45,879 which means, the number one thing that I'm concerned about 243 00:16:45,963 --> 00:16:47,297 is how we look on camera. 244 00:16:47,381 --> 00:16:49,550 Because if we look the right way, right? 245 00:16:49,633 --> 00:16:52,636 Smart, clean-cut, whole lives ahead of us, 246 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,974 then there isn't a fucking jury on this planet that's gonna believe we did this. 247 00:16:57,057 --> 00:16:59,018 - Because we didn't. - Because we didn't. 248 00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:00,019 Um. Okay. 249 00:17:00,102 --> 00:17:03,355 Well, let me tell you the number one thing I'm concerned about. 250 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:12,489 Is that... Is that a sauna? 251 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:14,490 No, Erik. 252 00:17:15,409 --> 00:17:16,869 It's a gas chamber. 253 00:17:17,745 --> 00:17:19,830 It's built for two, which is convenient. 254 00:17:22,166 --> 00:17:24,960 I... I hate to break it to you two, 255 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:26,920 but you're not sympathetic people. 256 00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:28,672 You're rich and spoiled, 257 00:17:28,756 --> 00:17:31,633 and that's the type of person folks love to hate. 258 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:35,679 I mean, your arraignment was a... a disaster. 259 00:17:39,391 --> 00:17:41,935 I mean, you looked like psychopaths. 260 00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:46,648 I told you to smile. 261 00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:48,399 Be respectful. 262 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:53,614 - Yes, Your Honor. No, Your Honor. But no. - The lights were bugging out my eyes. 263 00:17:53,697 --> 00:17:56,408 - The judge's voice was ridiculous... - I'd barely slept for days. 264 00:17:56,492 --> 00:17:57,492 Guys! 265 00:17:57,951 --> 00:17:59,453 We gotta get serious, okay? 266 00:17:59,536 --> 00:18:01,747 Because this image thing that you're trying to portray, 267 00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:03,749 that train has left the station. 268 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,253 Folks have a very strong opinion of you two. 269 00:18:08,337 --> 00:18:11,173 We did not kill our parents. 270 00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:14,051 Yes, yes, but John Q. Public thinks you did. 271 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,971 So if you want to avoid this. This! 272 00:18:18,055 --> 00:18:20,015 Then I suggest we try a different strategy 273 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:23,268 other than fake tanner and blaming Fidel Castro. 274 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:36,615 I mean, we could always... 275 00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:44,373 No, I just... 276 00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:48,127 We haven't talked to you about what really happened. 277 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:51,421 - What the fuck are you talking about? - I'm not talking about that night. 278 00:18:51,505 --> 00:18:56,009 We don't... we don't know what happened that night. We were at the movies. 279 00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:01,056 I'm just talking about the stuff that went on before that. 280 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:12,734 I'm sorry, would you please give my brother and I 281 00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:15,779 just a brief moment with one another? 282 00:19:17,030 --> 00:19:18,030 Alone? 283 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:21,826 Thank you. 284 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:31,753 We aren't gonna talk about that. 285 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:35,382 I just think it could kind of help the jury understand. 286 00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:38,552 It's... it's like you said, it does have to do with Mom and Dad. 287 00:19:38,635 --> 00:19:40,846 That stuff just happens sometimes, Erik. 288 00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:43,182 It's just being boys. 289 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:48,812 We're not gonna talk about it. 290 00:19:53,108 --> 00:19:56,612 So, I'm fired. That's... that's what you're saying? 291 00:19:56,695 --> 00:19:59,990 That is exactly what we're saying. You're not even defending them. 292 00:20:00,073 --> 00:20:02,951 Because they are impossible to defend. 293 00:20:03,952 --> 00:20:05,746 And you fire me. Fine! 294 00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:08,248 Here's some free advice. 295 00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:12,753 The reason they were arrested is because there are audio tapes. 296 00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:17,716 And the police, now maybe they shouldn't have, but they have listened to them. 297 00:20:18,342 --> 00:20:20,427 So you need to open your eyes to the fact 298 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:24,139 that Lyle and Erik's story is full of holes, and they might be guilty. 299 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,766 No, no, no, no! 300 00:20:25,849 --> 00:20:28,393 Not this. Then why did we get a lawyer? 301 00:20:28,477 --> 00:20:30,979 - Shut your mouth! - Look. look, look! 302 00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:32,189 - Shh. - Come on. 303 00:20:32,272 --> 00:20:35,192 Look, I'm the guy you hired to cut a deal. Okay? 304 00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:37,236 That's... that's what I thought I was here to do. 305 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:40,572 So if you want to try to get them off, I'm not your guy. 306 00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:43,825 Because I don't believe them, and the jury won't believe them. 307 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:48,330 So you need to find somebody else. And... you need to find a much better story. 308 00:20:48,413 --> 00:20:52,000 Or those boys of yours, you're so convinced are innocent, 309 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:56,713 the State of California is going to put them to death. 310 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,300 Best of luck to you. 311 00:21:08,976 --> 00:21:11,395 That shit was almost a misdemeanor. 312 00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:15,649 Five years ago, it would have been. 313 00:21:15,732 --> 00:21:20,279 But the new law, five rocks, that's a felony. 314 00:21:20,862 --> 00:21:25,492 Then 'cause I got a gun on me, suddenly it's aggravated. 315 00:21:26,576 --> 00:21:30,247 And I'm in here with, you know, murderers. 316 00:21:33,208 --> 00:21:35,168 And here's you and me in here with 'em. 317 00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:40,340 Yeah, it's... innocent people. 318 00:21:41,842 --> 00:21:43,844 Guess that's just the way the system is. 319 00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:45,429 I'm confused... 320 00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:47,931 ...about you. 321 00:21:49,182 --> 00:21:51,685 - What do you mean? - Well, what you like? 322 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:53,854 You like dudes, right? 323 00:21:54,563 --> 00:21:55,563 You gay, right? 324 00:21:56,773 --> 00:21:58,066 What? No. 325 00:21:59,693 --> 00:22:00,693 No. 326 00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:04,364 - I don't even like that word. - Okay. Yeah, fine, me neither. 327 00:22:04,448 --> 00:22:08,201 You ain't gay. But I'm saying, you like being with dudes, right? 328 00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:14,499 I don't know 'cause, um... 329 00:22:16,251 --> 00:22:17,961 What I went through at home. 330 00:22:19,129 --> 00:22:20,129 But, uh... 331 00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:23,467 I like being around you. 332 00:22:25,218 --> 00:22:26,595 Yeah, okay. 333 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:32,517 I know who I am. I don't give a fuck. 334 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,729 And neither should you is all I'm saying. 335 00:22:37,481 --> 00:22:39,024 It's okay to be who you are. 336 00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:42,819 Yeah. Not in my family. 337 00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:45,822 What did I do? I don't have anything. 338 00:22:55,123 --> 00:22:56,124 What's this? 339 00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:58,919 What? I... I don't know. 340 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,887 Erik, read this once, then throw it away. 341 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:10,650 These are things I've been thinking about. 342 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,934 I think Mark should drive the Porsche into the prison loading dock. 343 00:23:14,017 --> 00:23:15,644 ♪ I've got the power ♪ 344 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:20,357 Then hop out, but leave the engine running. 345 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:23,568 ♪ I've got the power ♪ 346 00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:26,154 We'll jump into the car and head to the 110. 347 00:23:32,369 --> 00:23:33,620 See drawing below. 348 00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:35,956 Next, our appearances. 349 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:37,374 ♪ I've got the power ♪ 350 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,293 I think we should get plastic surgery. 351 00:23:40,377 --> 00:23:44,923 We need facelifts, chin implants maybe, and of course we change our hair. 352 00:23:49,845 --> 00:23:51,012 We'll need passports, 353 00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:53,639 visas... 354 00:23:54,683 --> 00:23:56,309 Then we figure out where we're going. 355 00:23:58,311 --> 00:24:01,356 I think we head to Mark H's granddad's camp in Canada, 356 00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:03,608 just until the heat's off. 357 00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:08,488 I think Toronto, London, Belgium, Lebanon, 358 00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:10,657 and then we settle in Colombia. 359 00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:13,410 They like chicken wings there. 360 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,122 - What? - Get up. Gotta search your cell. 361 00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:18,915 What's this? 362 00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:20,667 I... I don't know. 363 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:22,919 Lyle Menendez, please step out to the red line. 364 00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:24,003 What's going on? 365 00:24:24,045 --> 00:24:26,590 - Step out to the red line! - You need to tell me why. 366 00:24:26,673 --> 00:24:27,549 What's going on? 367 00:24:27,632 --> 00:24:29,694 - Step to the red line. - Tell me why. 368 00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:31,928 - Hey, what the fuck?! - Hey! Lyle! 369 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:34,014 - Where are you taking me? - Lyle! 370 00:24:34,097 --> 00:24:36,516 - Where are you taking him? - What is going on? 371 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,536 They moved your brother to a different cell block. 372 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,770 I don't understand. Why? 373 00:24:41,646 --> 00:24:45,025 Lyle says that he wrote you some kind of a letter. 374 00:24:45,108 --> 00:24:47,152 We pass each other letters all the time. 375 00:24:47,235 --> 00:24:50,906 Right, but this letter, this one was an escape plan. 376 00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:53,783 Erik. 377 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:55,785 Not good. 378 00:24:56,411 --> 00:24:59,414 - When is he coming back? - They moved him there for good. 379 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,458 Is there anybody in there? 380 00:25:02,584 --> 00:25:05,086 Maybe someone on your cell block that you... 381 00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:07,756 that you think you could trust. 382 00:25:13,261 --> 00:25:14,261 Yeah. 383 00:25:50,006 --> 00:25:54,094 So, why exactly are you looking to adopt? 384 00:25:54,177 --> 00:25:58,014 We've been talking about it for a while. Starting our own family, I mean. 385 00:25:58,098 --> 00:26:00,850 My wife has a grown daughter from a previous marriage, 386 00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:03,728 and we didn't end up getting married until we were both in... 387 00:26:03,812 --> 00:26:07,774 Tim, this woman doesn't need our entire life story. 388 00:26:08,358 --> 00:26:10,110 On second thought, maybe she does. 389 00:26:10,193 --> 00:26:13,905 I guess that's how you guys determine who's fit to be good parents, right? 390 00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:17,075 If I'm being honest, I think all couples should have to prove 391 00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:18,994 they're fit to be good parents. 392 00:26:19,077 --> 00:26:22,205 It is way too easy to have a kid. 393 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:25,083 Some couples, they have a baby, 394 00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:27,794 neglect them, abuse them, treat them like scum, 395 00:26:27,877 --> 00:26:30,755 and then 20 years later, I end up having to defend them. 396 00:26:31,339 --> 00:26:34,384 By the looks of your profile, Miss Abramson, 397 00:26:34,467 --> 00:26:36,720 you're a very successful attorney. 398 00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:40,932 And as your husband mentioned, you already have a grown daughter. 399 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:44,102 So I certainly don't need to tell you how hard it is being a mother. 400 00:26:44,686 --> 00:26:48,898 Is there a reason why, at this point in your life, 401 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,234 you're ready to do that all over again? 402 00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:54,904 Okay, here's an embarrassing confession. 403 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,367 I don't actually remember being a mother. 404 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:03,830 I mean, yes, of course, I remember it. But it's all pretty hazy. 405 00:27:04,497 --> 00:27:06,833 I had Laine right before I started law school. 406 00:27:06,916 --> 00:27:08,293 I had just gotten divorced. 407 00:27:08,376 --> 00:27:12,172 And it was all I could manage just to keep my head above water. 408 00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:15,175 Not that I was a bad mother. I was not a bad mother. 409 00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:16,676 Imperfect? Yes. 410 00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:20,305 Workaholic? Guilty as charged. 411 00:27:24,768 --> 00:27:27,604 But I feel that I'm at a point in my life now 412 00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:33,318 where I could actually enjoy being a mother. 413 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,155 Where it wouldn't all feel like such a struggle. 414 00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:40,825 And, because of my line of work, 415 00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:45,872 I see what happens when kids don't get the nurturing they need. 416 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:51,461 So if I can raise a child and give them the love they need 417 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:55,965 so that they never have to come across a criminal defense attorney like me, 418 00:27:56,049 --> 00:27:57,217 then sign me up. 419 00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:02,931 Even if it means having to... change diapers for a couple of years. 420 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,686 Dominick, you are exaggerating. 421 00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:11,856 Sharon, you should know me well enough by now to know 422 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:14,067 that I never exaggerate. 423 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:16,695 Okay. But evil? 424 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:19,280 You truly believe those Menendez boys are evil? 425 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,198 Yes. 426 00:28:20,281 --> 00:28:23,993 When you've stared evil in the face, as I have, 427 00:28:24,077 --> 00:28:25,704 it's something you never forget. 428 00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:27,205 So you think they did it? 429 00:28:27,288 --> 00:28:29,124 Of course they did it. 430 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,627 They're classic sociopaths. 431 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:35,130 Especially the older brother. 432 00:28:35,672 --> 00:28:38,758 His eyes are even more vacant than Claus von Bülow's. 433 00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:43,471 How can a child even think of doing something like that to a parent? 434 00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:46,141 Nothing much shocks me anymore, Joyce. 435 00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:49,018 What people are capable of. 436 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:53,648 The only thing that shocks me, disgusts me, 437 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,900 is that we have a justice system 438 00:28:55,984 --> 00:28:58,945 that puts the rights of killers and rapists 439 00:28:59,028 --> 00:29:00,780 over and above their victims. 440 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:04,826 The justice system is blatantly biased against defendants, 441 00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:07,787 especially if those defendants are Black and brown 442 00:29:07,871 --> 00:29:09,581 and lack access to adequate counsel. 443 00:29:09,664 --> 00:29:11,916 Fair enough, but in several of your biggest cases, 444 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,961 doubt as to your client's guilt isn't in dispute. 445 00:29:15,044 --> 00:29:18,298 So you're saying only innocent people deserve a proper defense? 446 00:29:18,381 --> 00:29:23,011 No, I'm asking if everyone is entitled to a Leslie Abramson defense, 447 00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:26,222 especially if they're being accused of capital murder. 448 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:29,851 Capital punishment is an absolute moral travesty. 449 00:29:29,934 --> 00:29:32,812 Not only is it immoral, it is also barbaric. 450 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,482 It is unfathomable. 451 00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:39,235 - Well, if it isn't the dragon lady. - Who? 452 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,196 Leslie Abramson. 453 00:29:41,821 --> 00:29:45,867 Defense attorney to society's most reprehensible. 454 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:50,079 When you're trying a murder case, you can't just take it at face value. 455 00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:54,667 You have to determine the state of mind the person was in 456 00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:56,544 when they committed the crime. 457 00:29:56,628 --> 00:29:58,505 That woman there, 458 00:29:58,588 --> 00:30:03,426 she's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the legal system. 459 00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:06,930 Were they mentally competent when they committed the crime? 460 00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:09,098 Were they cognitively impaired? 461 00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:12,852 Did they have reason to believe, rightly or wrongly, 462 00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:14,771 that their lives were in danger? 463 00:30:14,854 --> 00:30:18,191 Do you know she tried to help make a plea deal 464 00:30:19,025 --> 00:30:21,861 for the man who murdered my daughter? 465 00:30:22,445 --> 00:30:25,782 She has a pathological affection for guilty clients, 466 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:29,661 in particular, guilty young men. 467 00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:34,874 And if there's one thing the prosecution doesn't like, it's nuance. 468 00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:38,294 To them, every defendant is a nail 469 00:30:38,378 --> 00:30:41,589 that deserves to be hammered by the system. 470 00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:46,386 It's easy to talk about justice when you don't know all the facts. 471 00:30:46,469 --> 00:30:50,014 So I guess you could say "outrage" is your middle name. 472 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,436 Actually, believe it or not, 473 00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:57,604 it's Hope. 474 00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:10,285 Dominick. 475 00:31:11,077 --> 00:31:13,830 Oh. Hello, Leslie. 476 00:31:13,913 --> 00:31:15,957 Odd seeing you here. 477 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,835 It's true, it's not my usual scene. 478 00:31:18,918 --> 00:31:21,796 The ladies who lunch crowd, that's much more your thing. 479 00:31:22,797 --> 00:31:27,594 I read your client Rick Sanders' appeal motion got denied again. 480 00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:31,139 Looks like he's not getting off death row anytime soon. 481 00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:37,812 I'm sure Dominick has been entertaining you ladies. 482 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:40,356 You know, apart from being a failed movie producer, 483 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,358 he's quite the raconteur. 484 00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:47,030 Just don't believe everything he says. He's prone to exaggeration. 485 00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:52,076 Well, don't let us keep you, Leslie. 486 00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:55,830 I'm sure somewhere there's a murderer in need of your assistance. 487 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,379 This is Leslie. 488 00:32:03,463 --> 00:32:04,797 Hey, Gerry. 489 00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:07,842 Yeah, I just finished giving an interview. 490 00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:11,304 Yes. To a reporter. 491 00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:14,766 Oh, I don't hate all the press. 492 00:32:14,849 --> 00:32:17,560 Come on, just the numbskulls. 493 00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:20,939 Need I remind you, I'm married to a reporter. 494 00:32:21,522 --> 00:32:22,565 Now, what's up? 495 00:32:23,858 --> 00:32:25,818 Of course I've heard of the case. Who hasn't? 496 00:32:25,902 --> 00:32:27,713 - They inquired about you. - Wait, what? 497 00:32:27,737 --> 00:32:30,239 They called and checked your availability. 498 00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:33,076 Are you fucking kidding me? 499 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:36,412 Miss Abramson, thank... thank you for making the time 500 00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:38,122 to come and... and meet all of us. 501 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:42,001 Gerry Chaleff says you're the best female criminal defense attorney in all of LA. 502 00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:43,795 I'm sure he didn't say that. 503 00:32:43,878 --> 00:32:47,215 Gerry wouldn't have said, "The best female criminal defense attorney." 504 00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:50,051 He simply would have said I'm the best. 505 00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:53,805 Well, as you know, we just fired Robert Shapiro. 506 00:32:53,888 --> 00:32:57,642 We didn't feel that he was good enough for... for our boys. 507 00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:58,559 I know Bob. 508 00:32:58,643 --> 00:33:02,146 He's a fine lawyer, but he's not who you want for a case like this. 509 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:05,775 For him, it's all about spinning the media narrative 510 00:33:05,858 --> 00:33:08,611 and hopefully cutting the best deal for his clients. 511 00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:10,363 I don't like cutting deals. 512 00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:12,907 I prefer to fight. 513 00:33:13,741 --> 00:33:16,577 Because if you don't fight, you don't win. 514 00:33:17,912 --> 00:33:20,456 So you've worked on cases like this before? 515 00:33:21,082 --> 00:33:24,419 Cases where the defendants are accused of killing 516 00:33:25,128 --> 00:33:26,796 and you still manage to win? 517 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:31,676 I recently defended a young man by the name of Arnel Salvatierra, 518 00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:33,469 who admitted to killing his father. 519 00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:35,638 He was up for first-degree murder. 520 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:38,975 Arnel and his siblings suffered years 521 00:33:39,058 --> 00:33:43,604 of physical and psychological abuse at the hands of their father. 522 00:33:44,397 --> 00:33:45,481 He tortured them. 523 00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:51,320 Now, the prosecution wanted you to believe that Arnel was a monster. 524 00:33:52,155 --> 00:33:55,366 That he carefully planned his father's murder for weeks 525 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,994 and then shot him in his sleep in cold blood. 526 00:33:58,077 --> 00:34:00,997 Well, that is not what I believe happened. 527 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:06,335 I believe Arnel shot his father out of self-defense. 528 00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:09,380 Should Arnel have waited until his father, 529 00:34:09,464 --> 00:34:12,925 in one of his rages, finally ended up murdering him? 530 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:15,470 Or his mother? 531 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,514 Or one of his siblings? 532 00:34:19,223 --> 00:34:21,392 Like what happened to little Lisa Steinberg 533 00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:24,979 when her abusive father finally ended up murdering her? 534 00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:27,065 I wanted the jury to see 535 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:30,068 that Arnel was not the monster. 536 00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:34,322 On the contrary, he was the victim. 537 00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:39,035 If you convict Arnel of first-degree murder, 538 00:34:39,118 --> 00:34:45,500 it will be as if his father's hand will rise up from the grave 539 00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:51,005 and his final act of terrorism will be with you as his accomplices. 540 00:34:52,381 --> 00:34:54,592 Arnel was acquitted of first-degree murder. 541 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,180 He was sentenced to three years probation. 542 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,183 And you could do that for Lyle and Erik? 543 00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:04,477 To be clear, I'd only be defending Erik. 544 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,146 Lyle still needs to retain his own separate counsel, 545 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:09,816 but based on the documents I've read so far, 546 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:13,653 these boys do not deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison, 547 00:35:13,736 --> 00:35:16,155 let alone face the death penalty. 548 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:20,451 Now, I can't guarantee you an outcome, 549 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,703 but I promise you, 550 00:35:23,621 --> 00:35:26,457 I will put up one hell of a fight. 551 00:35:35,091 --> 00:35:36,342 When can you start? 552 00:35:37,218 --> 00:35:39,929 Perhaps we should discuss my fee first. 553 00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:50,690 I imagine these last few weeks have been hard for you. 554 00:35:51,566 --> 00:35:54,318 All alone in jail, separated from your brother. 555 00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:59,490 Yes, it's... it's been... a lot. 556 00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:11,335 I'm sure you've heard what they've been saying about you and Lyle. 557 00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:14,088 That you're a couple of spoiled rich kids 558 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:17,008 who murdered your parents for financial gain. 559 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:19,385 And it's true. 560 00:36:20,219 --> 00:36:24,599 You boys sure did partake in quite a bit of conspicuous consumption 561 00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:25,933 after the murders. 562 00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:29,896 The cars, the designer clothes, 563 00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:32,773 the Rolexes, the luxury condos, 564 00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:36,277 a little excessive for retail therapy, wouldn't you say? 565 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,905 The spending spree, 566 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:41,407 that was you and your brother's first mistake. 567 00:36:41,991 --> 00:36:46,787 Then, you had the poor judgment of trusting that scumbag, Dr. Oziel, 568 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:48,539 and confessed to him. 569 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,752 Then, you let him record your sessions. 570 00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:57,465 - Then, you threatened to kill him. - We were never gonna kill Dr. Oziel. 571 00:36:57,548 --> 00:37:01,177 Which is why it's now possible for those tapes to be entered into evidence 572 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:02,970 and used against you at trial. 573 00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:05,848 We didn't know. We thought that they were gonna stay confidential. 574 00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:10,811 Then, you and Lyle start telling people different versions of what happened. 575 00:37:10,895 --> 00:37:15,608 What? Were you boys that confident you were never gonna be arrested? 576 00:37:16,442 --> 00:37:20,863 Then, when you boys finally are arrested and you show up in court, 577 00:37:20,947 --> 00:37:26,369 you look absolutely soulless and devoid of remorse. 578 00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:27,995 Another big mistake. 579 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:35,002 Although, I guess your biggest mistake 580 00:37:35,544 --> 00:37:38,547 was killing your parents in the first place. 581 00:37:39,507 --> 00:37:42,260 We... We... We didn't... 582 00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:44,679 I read the letter Lyle wrote you. 583 00:37:44,762 --> 00:37:47,556 That crazy, insane escape plan. 584 00:37:48,307 --> 00:37:49,307 But... 585 00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:54,772 there was something else he wrote in there that caught my attention. 586 00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:04,031 "We alone know the truth." 587 00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:11,289 "We alone know the secrets of our family's past." 588 00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:23,134 What does he mean by that? 589 00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:38,024 I've hired Dr. William Vicary. 590 00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:39,859 He's a forensic psychiatrist. 591 00:38:39,942 --> 00:38:43,237 I want you to start meeting with him to talk about what happened and why. 592 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:44,881 - No, no, no. No more shrinks. - Erik... 593 00:38:44,905 --> 00:38:45,905 I can't. 594 00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:49,577 You said it yourself. It was a mistake talking to Dr. Oziel. I will not. 595 00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:52,955 Well, that's because he's a prick who violated professional ethics 596 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,623 and manipulated your trust. 597 00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:58,085 I assure you, Dr. Vicary is nothing like him. 598 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:03,882 Erik... 599 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,511 Now that I am your lawyer, 600 00:39:07,595 --> 00:39:10,806 I am not gonna let you make any more mistakes. 601 00:39:13,392 --> 00:39:17,688 But I need you to be totally honest with me 602 00:39:18,647 --> 00:39:20,066 and to trust me. 603 00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:24,820 It's the only way we are gonna win. 604 00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:28,866 I just can't stand the food. 605 00:39:28,949 --> 00:39:31,660 I've spent most of my life building my body up. 606 00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:38,125 Trying to eat right, low-fat, carbo-loading, and now this stuff. 607 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:41,295 Erik, you're just wasting your money here. Okay? 608 00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:44,840 My job is to help you get to the bottom of all this. 609 00:39:45,466 --> 00:39:46,967 But trust me when I say 610 00:39:47,051 --> 00:39:51,305 I cannot do that unless you start being honest with me. 611 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:53,557 Like, really honest. 612 00:39:58,229 --> 00:39:59,229 Yeah. 613 00:40:01,565 --> 00:40:02,566 It's just... 614 00:40:07,655 --> 00:40:08,655 It's hard. 615 00:40:10,157 --> 00:40:11,157 Try. 616 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:15,829 Okay. 617 00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:26,924 Well... 618 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,474 We... did do it. 619 00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:39,228 Lyle and I. We did. 620 00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,525 But... 621 00:40:50,197 --> 00:40:51,198 There was... 622 00:40:57,288 --> 00:40:59,415 There was... a reason. 623 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,805 Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. 624 00:41:16,765 --> 00:41:19,935 Those are notes from my last two sessions with Erik. 625 00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:33,782 You gotta be kidding me. 626 00:41:39,955 --> 00:41:41,582 I talked to Dr. Vicary. 627 00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:43,167 I hope that's okay. 628 00:42:03,979 --> 00:42:06,273 I want to thank you for telling the truth. 629 00:42:09,151 --> 00:42:13,364 And I'm just gonna say that truth out loud now. 630 00:42:18,827 --> 00:42:23,374 You were sexually molested by your brother Lyle. 631 00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:34,009 And this started when? 632 00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:37,221 I... I was little. 633 00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:41,600 I think I was, like, five or six. 634 00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:46,146 And I thought that I kind of... 635 00:42:47,606 --> 00:42:48,440 liked it. 636 00:42:48,524 --> 00:42:50,025 Maybe. At first. 637 00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:51,360 Then I didn't. 638 00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:57,116 And when you didn't like it, or maybe even when you thought you did, 639 00:42:58,158 --> 00:43:01,370 how did it make you feel, Erik? 640 00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:06,792 Well, I... I never blamed him. 641 00:43:07,751 --> 00:43:09,295 - No? - No. 642 00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:11,129 Because... 643 00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:19,388 Because what, Erik? 644 00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:24,143 Because my dad did it to him. 645 00:43:27,688 --> 00:43:31,275 Your father sexually molested your brother, Lyle? 646 00:43:31,358 --> 00:43:33,485 Yes. He told him it was... 647 00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:37,072 Like, this is what the Spartans did. It made you tough. 648 00:43:37,865 --> 00:43:40,409 I don't know how long he did it with Lyle. 649 00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:45,289 But I know that at some point, Lyle told him to stop, and he did. 650 00:43:47,875 --> 00:43:52,004 And that time when it stopped, I remember when that happened. 651 00:43:52,588 --> 00:43:54,381 I remember that time very vividly. 652 00:43:57,217 --> 00:43:58,427 And why was that? 653 00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:03,432 Because that's when my dad started doing it to me. 654 00:44:08,979 --> 00:44:10,272 Oh, Erik. 655 00:44:13,067 --> 00:44:14,985 Oh, sweetheart. 656 00:44:17,196 --> 00:44:18,322 It's okay. 657 00:44:18,822 --> 00:44:20,949 Thank you for telling me that. 658 00:44:22,242 --> 00:44:23,243 Thank you. 659 00:44:24,912 --> 00:44:28,499 How could you even survive that? Tell me. 660 00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:31,001 You just... you just do it. 661 00:44:31,502 --> 00:44:32,920 You just do what you have to. 662 00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:35,381 You avoid him, and you, um... 663 00:44:36,548 --> 00:44:39,551 You try to play along, just so that it'll go faster. 664 00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:41,261 You get it over with. 665 00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:45,557 You sprinkle cinnamon onto his coffee, or put it on his food, or... 666 00:44:45,641 --> 00:44:47,643 Wait. Why... Why cinnamon? 667 00:44:48,185 --> 00:44:49,770 It just made the, um... 668 00:44:51,814 --> 00:44:53,607 It made the cum taste better. 669 00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:58,445 It didn't really work because... 670 00:44:59,571 --> 00:45:02,658 he started getting annoyed that there was cinnamon on everything. 671 00:45:03,158 --> 00:45:07,663 And suddenly, he started putting lemon juice on all of my food, 672 00:45:07,746 --> 00:45:10,207 just so that it would numb my taste buds... 673 00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:11,500 Did that work? 674 00:45:11,583 --> 00:45:12,918 Not... Not really. 675 00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:17,047 But I had to keep trying. 676 00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:22,720 Just to change the lives that we were living. 677 00:45:23,303 --> 00:45:26,390 And... I knew at some point 678 00:45:26,473 --> 00:45:29,727 that I was going to be willing to do anything, 679 00:45:30,477 --> 00:45:33,063 just to make it all stop.